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>> she is someone that needs to be studied on how you do this right. she has managed to outmaneuver donald trump at every turn. i'm going to quote cardi b, she has dog walked donald trump at every turn. >> mark: wow. the masterful dog walker, nancy pelosi. that groveling may have been stomach turning, but it is actually an improvement over what o'donnell said on msnbc earlier this month. >> like so much that nancy pelosi does in her unscripted burst of eloquence, moral diggnation, this was multidimensional. there she was, standing up against hatred as her catholic religion has taught her to do...

Because the children of eric garner were on tonight and they were smiling. are you saying the president can't be multidimensional? because you mentioned stephen colbert and then you mentioned going on b.e.t.? he can't be multidimensional dealing with this situation? >> no, what i'm saying is i'd like to know when this b.e.t. interview was scheduled. most folk were unaware of it. it sort of came out of nowhere. it wasn't mentioned in the listings. i don't know what the motivation was for doing that. what i'm suggesting is that the president, you know, can't have one message for us, to be calm, ...

Joining me now is paul ginsburg, les abend and brian todd on the phone. i want to get to you about the bluefin-21. you have visited the folks who are in charge of that technology and what do they tell you about searching the ocean floor with this particular apparatus? >> they bought it from the company bluefin which made it and what they've told us about this is that it has a lot of high-tech capability, it's multidimensional, it can go down to the depth of the ocean floor in that area, about 14,700-plus feet down. it can make it down to that depth. it does side scan sonar and also can take hi...

But we knew when we were making this film and the series that it had to be about the emotional connections. >> is he an old softy? >> he's a big old softy. why do you think i fell in love with him? >> you know, you probably imagine mark burnett, tough guy, hollywood producer, kick ass, but i bet there's another side to him. >> we're all things, aren't we? that's what makes us -- we're all multidimensional. and it's all those parts of us that are -- he is. you wanted like a big revelation. he is. but i think he'll admit it. >> piers knows me. piers knows me. there are certain things that really...