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Multi-month or even year-long waiting process to have an asylum hearing. >> i want to go back to your universal income proposal, because our debt is already up to $20 trillion. and i know in some ways, if you already get some government assistance, you wouldn't get this money. but how does this not, even in the short-term, inflate our debt and put us in a budgetary crisis going forward? >> well, if you look up, chuck, who are the big winners in this economy? it's amazon and other $1 trillion tech companies. and in amazon's case, they're literally paying zero in federal taxes. you're 100% right...

Fifth. i think what p must have happened is mueller decided it wasn't worth the trouble, it was going to be a multimonth if not the multiyear struggle. >> jared kushner as renata just mentioned, they were not interviewed even about the trump tower meeting. which seemed central to the potential of collusion. why wouldn't mueller have interviewed them? >> it's a little bit of a mystery, usually you save people who are really the targets for last -- you may not interview. just indict them. that's one possibility. as maybe they are looking like that. the other possibility is that the evidence that...

Different terminology can help boil it down. if barack obama made a phone call and asked in a serious way, to have john mccain criminally prosecuted for no reason, for no foundation, i think that alone would be a multi-month, huge deal in american life. precisely because it would be such an obvious abuse of power. as this is, ken. >> i could not agree more, ari. in fact, the analogy here is richard nixon. i was reading before we got on the air the second article of impeachment against richard nixon. it was all about obstruction of justice, intervening with the fbi, asking the irs to investigat...

James comey, i said that we are all going through a slow motion, multi-month saturday night massacre. when president nixon fired leon jaworski, the special counsel looking into watergate and there was a whole blood bath with the attorney general elliott richardson resigning and deputy attorney general resigning, et cetera, and ultimately robert bourque i believe is the one who fired jaworski, that was called the saturday night massacre for people who don't remember and it was president nixon at the time trying to get away from any accountability from the justice department. president trump has...

>> neil: all right. i think this is what they call how they make the sausage. how they're coming up with a markup now on the house measure on the tax cut things. of course, it's going to be a multi-tiered process here and a multi-week, multi-month. hard to say. but many have been looking at this. maybe it's the way they're going about it or the image frankly that they're hoisting along here, right? >> the communications. the same thing that happened with the health legislation. they went to the american people and said we have an alternative. we don't like obamacare but we don't like what you'...