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Lives on, something that relates. i think at times and perhaps it's the decline of the intellectual life as well, there's an inability to hold attention in a complex discussion where there's multiif a seated issues and we might not agree with each other but we can be stretched by our mutual understanding. >> as a liberal and someone who comes out of the tradition of the church and is quite intellectual and concerned with the life of the mind is appealing to me and part of my relationship with the church is that. michael makes a point complexity is not the thing that's driving religious growth ...