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Led to this. what they're trying to do is basically tell us this is all a figment of our imagination. >> tucker: yeah. ignore the body. since you're immersed in the data, murder statistics are the one government statistic you can believe, right? you have a body or you don't. >> that's right. one of the reasons that criminalologists focus on homicide data is it's hard to manipulate those statistics, a dead body is a dead body. if it has holes in it, you have a homicide on your hands. in 2020 showed the single largest one year spike in american history, a 30% year of year increase in homicides. ...

Basically tell us this is all a figment of our imagination. >> tucker: yeah. ignore the body. really quickly, since you're immersed in the data, murder statistics are the one government statistic you can believe, right? you either have a body or you don't. >> that's exactly right. one of the reasons that criminologist focus on homicide data is it's hard to manipulate those statistics.d a dead body is a dead body. if it has holes in it, you have a homicide on your hands. one of the things we see is that 2020 showed the single largest one year spike in american history, a 30% year ofe year incre...

This is an experience going on right now, young black men, the number one cause of death is homicide right now. that's a fact. no one can deny it. this is the civil rights issue of our time. i have said it before here. black lives matter, all these liberal groups ignore it. young black men are killing other black men. that's why the murder statistics are out of control. they are bigger than the wave of violent crime that followed the assassination of martin luther king. it is the biggest ever. it is frightening. because it is contained, chicago is the example. because it's in the south side, y...

Community occurs. no one ever sees it. all we see, whenever something goes wrong with police and truth of the matter is, we're getting better at this but granted professional development is something that should be ever so evolving in the process. harris: that is a very balanced look at it. now i understand why you go into communities. you do the same thing. what are you seeing that's working and what does the process need to build trust? because you come from chicago, i tell you the murder statistics there are rough. >> first and foremost the trust factor has to be there with all law enforcem...

Engagements between police and community occurs. no one ever sees it. all we see, whenever something goes wrong with police and truth of the matter is, we're getting better at this but granted professional development is something that should be ever so evolving in the process. harris: that is a very balanced look at it. now i understand why you go into communities. you do the same thing. what are you seeing that's working and what does the process need to build trust? because you come from chicago, i tell you the murder statistics there are rough. >> first and foremost the trust factor has to...