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Captured on video by a cnn reporter. trump reacted on fox news sunday and suggested the protester deserved what he got. >> the man that was, i don't know, you say roughed-up was so obnoxious and loud, he was screaming. i had 10,000 people in the room yesterday, 10,000 people and this guy started screaming by himself. i don't know, rough up? maybe he should have been roughed up. it was absolutely disgusting what he was doing. >> donald trump later retweeted after that a chart of inaccurate murder statistics that falsely allege african-americans are responsible for the majority of homicides agai...

Done in general, the work that they're doing at this very moment that we speak, the men and women are still getting it done out there for us every day. >> so, let me bring paul calen especially since you just - mentioned, cedric, the anecdotal versus the empirical. it may be too early to have empirical data. >> right. >> we are only talking a year or so. so i'll open it up to you two, paul and joey. and these are thorny issues, people don't like to talk about them. the debate is mitigated for fear some will come off sounding racist, et cetera, if they even tackle the other side of the black li...

How are you, sir? >> i'm fine thank you. and thank you for having me. >> the latest year we have statistics for, do you know how many total deaths black, fatal fatalities caused by law enforcement, do you know how many they were? >> no, and that's a big problem, sean. >> i do have the number. >> we do not collect those figures -- >> well i have the cdc -- >> from 18,000 jurisdiction that have police departments. it's about 400 deaths. >> it's 123 deaths. the last year that we have 2012, from the cdc, do you know for 2013 the fbi, the latest statistics that we have murder statistics, black on b...

>> it's 123 deaths. the last year that we have 2012, from the cdc, do you know for 2013 the fbi, the latest statistics that we have murder statistics, black on black crime, do you know how many actual murders took place in 2013? >> well i tell you this is a problem that we have in our society with crime -- >> but i'll give you the number. there's a big disparity. >> it stems from hopelessness in our society, and a lot of what we do here in d.c. contributes to the sense of hopelessness in the black community. >> so in 2012 the cdc says there was law enforcement killing or being involved in the ...

Offenders, 90%, there's the number. if you look at 2013 murder statistics from the fbi, number of black-on-black murders 2,245. we see it in newark, we see it in chicago. why are we not having the broader discussion? >> because it's easy to go after the police officers. this is a tough discussion. and it requires the entire community to take responsibility for what's happening. the police chief in milwaukee, edward flin, millions of people have watched this video on the internet, but he hits some of the same things that mayor gulianni did that 80% -- >> yeah, we have the number of blacks kille...