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We don't know all the details. in your mind does this rise to the level of witness stampering tampering or not, john? >> pretty close particularly when told by his attorneys not to do it for that reason then he went ahead and did it. that suggests he knows what he was doing and that's why they reported it because they didn't want to get them self in ha obstruction situation. >> which is interesting. juliet, what do ynversation tha president had with key witnesses? again i want to emphasize the crucial point here is that the president talked to them after they talked to the special counsel. s s...

Go ahead. >> and he's not cooperating with mr. mueller, which means mr. prince will have a witness who will fully explain the nature of that conversation to the special counsel. >> right. and that meeting and of course what the purpose of it was, obviously, in january of 2017, middle of the indian ocean, you have prince and this russian fund adviser close to putin. obviously an important meeting. i want to ask you also, congressman, about the jared kushner. senior adviser and son-in-law. you delivered a letter and asked him for an emergency hearing for kushner security clearance. what was trey...