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Can up mutate and they can down mutate. this is clearly an up mutation causing more severe disease in south africa. the variants which were -- we were concerned about them, because we saw them in the united states in a couple of areas, but they never amounted to much. they down mutated and were not strong enough to take hold. this new variant in south africa poses some concern, but we should not start becoming hysterical about it right now. i think europe has the right idea to ban flights as well as israel from various areas around south africa. but we have to be very careful. we're going to s...

Variants with the virus all the - variants with the virus all the time, and it's not unexpected in that sense. it could be more serious than other ones we've seen and more transmissible but this is the sort of thing we are going to have to get used to. . of thing we are going to have to get used to. , ~ ., of thing we are going to have to get used to. , ,. ., ., , , used to. yes, we know from studying seasonal coronaviruses, _ used to. yes, we know from studying seasonal coronaviruses, the - used to. yes, we know from studying seasonal coronaviruses, the ones i seasonal coronaviruses, the ones...

What to do? should there be masked mandates, or should there be separate mandates for separate categories of people? >> i think we need two different kind of plans. one is what i would call a public health strategy, so how do we minimize hospitalizations and deaths? how do we minimize disability from covid at the population level? and more than that you have an individualized tailored, personal, clinical approach, which you could decide with your doctor what are the things you want to do to protect yourself. >> when we had dr. fauci on, he said the fundamental reason the virus is mutating into...

>> i think we need two different kind of plans. one is what i would call a public health strategy, so how do we minimize hospitalizations and death? how do we minimize disability from covid at the population level and more than that you have an individualized tailored, personal, clinical approach, which you could decide with your doctor, what are the things you want to do to protect yourself. >> when we had dr. fauci on, he said the fundamental reason the virus is mutating into more dangerous forms like delta is it's replicating, meaning it's spreading. the reason it's spreading is because not...

Vaccinations out to those youngsters and using vaccination centres as well as the school vaccine programme will significantly improve the efficiency of that roll—out. the efficiency of that roll-out. the government — efficiency of that roll-out. the government was _ efficiency of that roll—out. the government was quite clear about the possible options with plan a and plan b, and plan b would reintroduce mask wearing indoors, urging people to work from home once again. requesting more people take up the vaccination. when you look at the current figures, do you think that plan b is now ine...