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Full-scale war. >> but limited all the way, all or nothing, 500,000 men, but then when it was over it was over. no creep. no -- >> it's -- >> eisenhower understood that war is a mutating monster. >> right. >> president who is think they can control it are kidding themselves. >> what you've talking about is what colin powell talked about after that war, and it's the powell doctrine. you go in with everything, you win, and you bring them home. if you don't -- >> or you shouldn't go in in the first place if you're not willing to make that commitment. >> let's talk, doris, also about the dirtier s...

Small wars tend not to work out very well for democracies with one exception -- maybe others but one comes to mind -- which is the 1990/ '91 war in the gulf which george h.w. bush treated as a full-scale war. but then limited all the way, all or nothing, 500,000 men, but when it was over it was over. no creep, no wars. eisenhower understood war is a mutating monster. presidents who think they can control it are kidding themselves. >> what you're talking about is what colin powell talked about after that war and it's the powell doctrine, you go in with everything, you win, and you bring them ho...