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Doesn't have to destroy the protected areas. let me tell you a story from my hardtalk on the road visit to zimbabwe a couple of years ago. i went to hwange national park, one of the most successful elephant conservation areas in all of africa. there are now up to almost 40,000 elephants, there are too many elephants. and when they suffered a terrible drought there, the elephants roamed far and wide, beyond the national park, they went into villages, ate crops and trampled to death several villagers. i heard from those local people that they couldn't tolerate this invasion of the elephants. and...

Of people who are working to support it and are benefiting from that support. and these protected areas are connected because our wildlife is migratory. and we've seen amazing changes, we have seen history turned back. the elephant story is such a good example. why not gazelles, giraffes, lions, cheetahs? they can come back, all of them can come back. so long as we maintain and secure the real estate they need and maintain those habitats. to me, the problem is so simple that it is so frustrating that people cannot see it and won't invest in it. we're not talking about a heritage that is just k...

Elephant, critically endangered. that is the result of decades of poaching, but it reflects a wider problem too. in the battle for space and resources, wildlife is in a losing fight with humanity in many parts of africa. my guest today is paula kahumbu, kenyan conservationist, campaigner and broadcaster. she's trying to make conservation africa's common cause. so how is she doing? paula kahumbu in nairobi, welcome to hardtalk. thank you so much, stephen.

Temperatures will reach 22 degrees. under the cloud it is 18, i9 temperatures will reach 22 degrees. under the cloud it is 18, 19 degrees and still a bit dull and damp in the north—east of england where it is quite a bit cooler than that. overnight tonight the cloud may lower onto the hills of northern england and into scotland as well. some breaks in the cloud for a while but it comes back in overnight. where we have the clearer skies for longer it will turn a little chilly out by the morning. tomorrow, many of us will see cloud covering the sky. some sunshine western parts of wales, southâ...

Welcome to hardtalk. i'm stephen sackur. the african elephant is an endangered species. in the case of the forest elephant, critically endangered. that is the result of decades of poaching but it reflects a wider problem too. in the battle for space and resources, wildlife is in a losing fight with humanity in many parts of africa. my guest today is paula kahumbu, kenyan conservationist, campaigner and broadcaster. she's trying to make conservation africa's common cause. so how is she doing?