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He might take it to the negotiating table as some leverage to have on his part. to say, i've declared they're independent or recognized their independence. but i'm going to refrain from rolling tanks in or conducting any military activity if you give me x, y, or z concession that russia has been demanding in terms of guaranteeing what it sees as security needs in europe at the moment. it's possible that he's going to use this as leverage at the negotiating table. it's also possible that we'll see tanks roll in to this donbas region. and the question becomes, i don't want to give our viewers to...

Understand what was said afterwards. what did putin really mean when he said that? what do you think he was implying when he asked that? >> just look at the north korean -- what they say the word denuclearization means and what we do. they think we're going to get rid of all of our nukes. by the way, all of them, globally. >> and maybe donald trump agreed to that. but i'll say this. there is an upside that people don't talk about enough to this, which is when the staff isn't in the room and the president doesn't actually know what was said, they don't do anything. they are not -- i'm completel...

Americans thinking of him as this very serious legal voice, when in fact he doesn't have a lot of experience in civil defense law and it's not clear that he has a strategy for mueller other than a tv strategy. >> he has a communication strategy. first of all that clip in a me, too era, is just discombugustin just have to say that out loud. and also something that we know about giuliani is that he is very interested in being a public persona. for him, he gets to be on tv, he gets to be on tv constantly, he gets to drive news. he's not playing a legal game, as we though, he's playing a communica...

Country all of his nuclear weapons, all of the nuclear infrastructure, all of long-range missiles before the u.s. can grant any concessions. on the other hand, this week, kim met with chinese president xi and he called for, quote, phased measures, in other words, action for action, have you and kim agreed what the sequencing is, is it all actions by him first or is it step by step and is that something as i say that you've agreed with or something that kim and the president will have to work out at the summit? >> chris, we've had discussions on how this would proceed. there's still a great dea...

Country all of his nuclear weapons, all of the nuclear infrastructure, all of long-range missiles before the u.s. can grant any concessions. on the other hand, this week, kim met with chinese president xi and he called for, quote, phased measures, in other words, action for action, have you and kim agreed what the sequencing is, is it all actions by him first or is it step by step and is that something as i say that you've agreed with or something that kim and the president will have to work out at the summit? >> chris, we've had discussions on how this would proceed. there's still a great dea...