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He was also the only guy in the platoon who got out of the army. >> what was that transition like for him getting out? >> it was terrifically hard for him. i mean they came back -- the unit came back to vicenza, italy, where they were based. never in combat ordering these guys around who fought for a year and they absolutely hated that and that triggered a real crisis in brendon. he felt that the -- that their efforts were not honored with -- even within the military on the base that they were getting ordered around and by the -- by these very petty rules and so he really went into some very s...

If we get hit run now and you trip i could get killed so tie your damn shows so when these guys come back from that they cannot tie their shoes, nothing has consequences. >> how is killing more complicated than we think. >> i think there's a moral revulsion of killing in humans. i mean this is just my opinion. that gets suspended when your friends are getting killed and when they killed enemy fighters they would cheer and i asked about that because it seemed like kind of an ugly sentiment. like i understood the need to kill but not the need to cheer and the guy said to me listen the guy that w...

Where they were based. never in combat ordering these guys around who fought for a year and they absolutely hated that and that triggered a real crisis in brendon. he felt that the -- that their efforts were not honored with -- even within the military on the base that they were getting ordered around and by the -- by these very petty rules and so he really went into some very self-destructive behavior and i think he was -- i mean he's okay now but for about a year i would say he was probably in more danger to himself at home than he was in the valley. >> what you saw in the valley, did it cha...

What i'm cheering. i'm cheering that one of us will live not that he die. and when you put it like that, suddenly you understand this dynamic that keeps war going and of course the other side's doing the same thing. >> you focus on one -- one guy in particular a guy named brendon. why him? what was it about him that drew you. >> brendon o'beirne. he was a really good soldier. and he was also -- he had a pretty troubled background as a kid. the army kind of straightened him out, kind of saved him. he was a very, very good soldier. he thought about, like the right and wrong of the war, what it m...

No one -- up there that doesn't matter, right? up there i saw a private, accost another private, say, man tie your shoes. if we get hit ru no now and you trip i could get killed so tie your damn shows so when these guys come back from that they cannot tie their shoes, nothing has consequences. >> how is killing more complicated than we think? >> i think there's a moral revulsion of killing in humans. i mean this is just my opinion. that gets suspended when your friends are getting killed and when they killed enemy fighters they would cheer and i asked about that because it seemed like kind of ...