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Whom when? >> that's a great -- you know, that is a great point. his involvement itself, he's not transgressing by pursuing this deal in his capacity. the lie doesn't help him at the first door level at all is what you're saying. >> correct. we know, and this is also true in the case of michael flynn's lies to the fbi -- >> right. >> -- that there is every evidence of what was driving the president during this period of time all through 2016, frankly to the present day, was the desire to deny any of the facts showing the connections to and the dialogue with russia and russia agents. >> that's ...

Coordination between the trump campaign and the russian government, and that was the giveaway because this all related to sanctions. >> that's the question for tomorrow, why did he lie about what he lied about, the conversation with the russian ambassador about sanctions, specifically, we might get more light shed on that tomorrow. nick ackerman and nancy ge rtn er, thank you for your time. mueller signalling they've reached potential end game status. more on that in two minutes. let's clear a path. let's put down roots. let's build something. let's do the thing that you do. let's do the thi...

His involvement itself, he's not transgressing by pursuing this deal in his capacity. the lie doesn't help him at the first door level at all is what you're saying. >> correct. we know, and this is also true in the case of michael flynn's lies to the fbi -- >> right. >> -- that there is every evidence of what was driving the president during this period of time all through 2016, frankly to the present day, was the desire to deny any of the facts showing the connections to and the dialogue with russia and russia agents. >> that's a great point. bob bauer, thank you for taking time tonight. >> p...

Giveaway because this all related to sanctions. >> that's the question for tomorrow, why did he lie about what he lied about, the conversation with the russian ambassador about sanctions, specifically, we might get more light shed on that tomorrow. nick ackerman and nancy ge rtn er, thank you for your time. mueller signalling they've reached potential end game status. more on that in two minutes. this isn't just any moving day.