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Of her books have been on the banned books list. son of solomon, paradise -- and we understand all of the reasons why, everything from the content there and the kind of material that's in the book explains why some people want to ban it. but, on a deeper level, we also have to think about it from the perspective of a conservativism that really doesn't want to have the kind of conversations that beloved has. that book really forces us to grapple with racial history, it forces us to grapple with the contradictions. a big part of beloved actually is about that conflict between the past and the pr...

The past and the present. onon the one hand, the narrative thrust is really about forgetting the past. the characters have finally escaped enslavement and they want not to have to think about it again. even as their supposed plantation owner was good. but there is no such thing, of course, as good enslavement. but then there is this character who says maybe we can't just forget, not only do we have to remember but we have to grapple with and confront the past and the present movement. so, the book really does incredible work for all of those reasons. so, in some sense, it's banned for the same...

Was bound to go as soon as there was problems. >> i think the quest for that story, itself, is a shallow approach to a broader political landscape. so to speak. so, yeah, i think sam is absolutely right that they wanted that story, that narrative thrust. that trajectory was going to be circumvented by a couple things, first of all, that herman cain wasn't that deep and secondly, he dismissed the necessity to have the experience the president needed like uzbekistan or whatever that is, and to dismiss the need for foreign policy information, i'll leave it up to my generals. pretty quickly it bec...

So, yeah, i think sam is absolutely right that they wanted that story, that narrative thrust. that trajectory was going to be circumvented by a couple things, first of all, that herman cain wasn't that deep and secondly, he dismissed the necessity to have the experience the president needed like uzbekistan or whatever that is, and to dismiss the need for foreign policy information, i'll leave it up to my generals. pretty quickly it became apparent herman cain wasn't ready for primetime. >> gentlemen, no pun intended here, but there's no godfather of the republican party that would step up and ...

Percent of support he had and it was bound to go as soon as there was problems. >> i think the quest for that story, itself, is a shallow approach to a broader political landscape. so to speak. so, yeah, i think sam is absolutely right that they wanted that story, that narrative thrust. that trajectory was going to be circumvented by a couple things, first of all, that herman cain wasn't that deep and secondly, he dismissed the necessity to have the experience the president needed like uzbekistan or whatever that is, and to dismiss the need for foreign policy information, i'll leave it up to m...