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View. what do we gain or lose by letting private enterprise compete and live up to this challenge of transporting astronauts into space? >> well, first i should point out excaliber to date has never gone after any nasa money. there was no conflict of interest with any of my involvement. going forward, you know, i think it's really -- really is time to give the commercial guys a chance because going into orbit, the technology is mature. nas is's job is to focus on pushing outside of lower orbit, either going to explore near asteroids, going back to the moon to test architecture and modules and ...