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Loyalty, rightly so to the president and that's who she speaks on behalf of and so she may not want to disclose what she was told and when she was told particularly during the course of an ongoing investigation. look, that was some entertaining television, but i would not point e finger at sarah sanders there a she has done anything improper and it is a very difficult job being a press secretary under any circumstances especially so right now under these circumstances so i would tread lightly there in critiquing her negatively. >> do you trust what comes out of the white house, though? do you ...

Overlook that is really how you interpret the president's decision to allow these two advisors to go on without that kind of clearance. >> that's right. look, he's in a box where he shouldn't have ever had his daughter and son-in-law in the white house in the first place. to use a word that we use in a totally different context, fred. he seem tazbe us to be using ge kelly here as a cutout to do his dirty work for him. which he has done in other context when he was in the private sector. have people do the dirty work for him. when there is something to take credit for or who's your daddy postur...