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Not necessarily illegal but we have certain norms in this country that this president has consistently broken. and this is, that interview with george stephanopoulos is reason 1080, why we know that his counsel would not allow him to sit down with robert mueller. because he cannot help himself. he's saying listen, if they interfere, i don't see what the problem is. his mobster mentality is such that if he can blur the lines of legality and if he can benefit himself, he doesn't fundamentally understand that that weakens american democracy. and this is what the framers have warned us about. and ...

Foreign aid during a re-election campaign, president trump displayed the kind of self-preserving lizard brain that one would expect an incumbent president to at least try to hide. >> foreigners, if russia, if china, if someone else offers you information on an opponent. should they accept it or call the fbi. >> i think maybe you do both. i think you might want to listen. there's nothing wrong with listening. >> you can't that kind of interference in our election. >> it's not an interference, they have information, i think i'd take it. >> pay close attention to his use of the word "information....

Duties to protect us and a president who says i don't see what the problem is because of his mobster mentality and courts who are abdicating themselves to the president, everyone is working for donald trump. this is beyond crisis mode and we're seeing a fundamental breakdown of norms of american democracy and we're realizing just how tenuous our american democratic system is. >> let me ask you, patrice, what christina just said. should mitch mcconnell and the senate and the congress pass a law that you are required, if an adversarial or a foreign government, period, tries to give you informati...

There were nearly 30 young children who were killed by a serial killer in atlanta between 1979 and 1981. many people have never even heard of the missing and murdered children. it changed our city and our country forever. so we are re-examining those cases and also creating a lasting memorial to these children because what we've learned is these families in many ways felt like their children didn't matter and had been forgotten. and we are better than that as a city. so we are creating a memorial but also looking at the evidence again to see with improved technology, is there more information ...

That the dam is close to breaking. joining me now, patrice lee owuka, senior policy analyst at the independent women's forum. and christina greer, associate professor of political science at fordham university. patrice, is this not going too far for the president to suggest that there's nothing wrong, whether it be legal or not? there's nothing wrong with taking information from a foreign power, even an adversary? >> i think it's not a good idea, especially if the information could be dubious or from a source, that's questionable, like a foe. or a nation that wants to undermine what we're tryi...