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I mean, that's incredible, isn't it? that you could borrow $200,000, potentially, and pay back $28,000? >> bill: i paid it back on time every year and paid it in full. martha: bu you knew you had to. it was going to hang over your head. bill: i made the commitment to take the loan out. i had to pay it back. watch where this goes. martha: that's not sitting well with a lot of americans out there. according to a brand new rasmussen reports poll, 66 percent oppose this idea, they say students should pay back what they owe. what kind of lesson is that for students if they don't have to eventually ...

So we'd like to know, did secretary chu know about these two memos, did he endorse them, and was the original counsel for the department of energy replaced so that they could push this deal through. bill: there's going to be a lot of people watching this hearing when it gets underway on the 17th of november. is there a way for secretary chu to explain all this, do you believe? >> well, i think they're going to say the interpretation of that one sentence in the energy policy act is open to interpretation. in fact, their interpretation, i think, is totally erroneous. but i think the american peo...

Said, let's look every way we possibly can to do stuff on our own. he has been accused of not being a leader. this is with we're seeing play out i think in part to urging of bill daley it sound? >> i think you're absolutely right. there is a feeling in the white house the president sort of ceded the a lot of executive authority that came with the presidency in the early going as he tried to work with congress. look, they're engaged in a campaign now. they're looking at congressional approval ratings. i can't tell you how many administration officials in last couple days have noted to me congre...

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Are calling g affes. they are going to slow down the campaign for cain. cain is leading the pack at 24%, now the frontrunner. mary katherine ham of the caller, and a fox news contributor, how are you doing. >> good, good. bill: what do you think of the strategy, slow the cain train down. >> what his campaign is saying, look we have had mistakes here. they are saying because he has a very busy schedule. i'm not sure that they are signaling that they will cut down on schedule so much as much as we are signaling we understand we need to be a little bit more careful. we've hit the prime-time here....