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Years ago but it's not equal and i don't need marx to tell me that. i fight for the right for people to be wrong. >> larry: thank you all very much. another chapter in america's long and disturbing racial history. speaking of that, hugh hefner is with us. a lot of people know him from "playboy" and all the rest. he was one of the earliest fighters in america for civil rights. a new documentary out that covers that. and we'll meet hugh hefner right after these words.

Right. applaud what he just said. i'm tired of seeing polling data broken down like this. we are americans. we have american problems. not just with the black community. those are problems i see with the american community. educational inequality. problems with unemployment. all that stuff. we share that. when we can focus on that and quit trying to segregate everything we can take another step forward with race relations. >> al with is that right? >> i think that if we are realistic and say that the progress made was made because people struggled to make that progress, that we should engage i...