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At the same people for the same things. >> they are not really. now they are two different organizations but they believe in the same isis used to be the al qaeda affiliate in iraq. the difference between isis and al qaeda is just the idea that isis declared the state and they have a califf. if the califf doesn't exist, they have the same ideology and wouldn't be surprised to see them inspired by isis on a later day. >> if you think, it's great, it's important mosul has been taken back and raqqah will be taken back and isis will be defeated but if you think that the world is suddenly safer as ...

Backed forces have now completely and circled the capital of isis in raqqah. joining me is a former fbi agent, former head of the joint terrorism task force. it's a must read if you want to understand the future of the terror threat and in that book, you make the argument very clearly that don't be distracted by this bright shiny object of the end of the caliphate, of the reduction of property and land that isis controls because the influence they have now is psychological. >> absolutely. we probably will finish isis the caliphate but isis will mutate and the threat will take a different form....

Qaeda shifted to being an dangerous organization to a message. we battle isis in the physical spaces. it's important to defeat them in the physical spaces. that's only half of the battle. we have to defeat them in the spaces they occupy in the hearts and minds of the alienated and the true believers. only when we win that battle, we will start to win the war. >> for westerners that's where the battle has moved. isis claims that they were behind it every time and yet there's very little evidence now of material connection between anybody operatally and a terrorist. >> isis doesn't need raqqah o...