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It's not a moneymaker. it's not a moneymaker. it's a business cost. at the end of the day we do need security. this is a wakeup call. in my opinion. we have had had a number of them in the mid, you know, last decade regarding bombings in madrid, london, you name it. moscow. mumbai. >> it's subways. trains because there is trains here. you know, we have a lot of people ride subways in this country. it's not just trains. >> correct. correct. >> i can't imagine that we are going to check every package of everybody gets on every train and subway. i mean, thousands and thousands just in this city a...

Reform policy in the first year of president obama's office. where do we stand with that? >> well, first off, the organizations that are pushing this idea of asylum law are, in fact, immigration attorney organizations. they are the ones trying to expand the definition of asylum so that really we get to a point where no one is denied asylum. that's the potential. i don't think they're going to be successful but that effort is coming from the open border crowd. jamie: so it's cause for concern in terms of a strain on the system, the inability to monitor the border if there's a real flood, becaus...