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Moore was going to win in alabama. and if roy moore won in alabama that would mean steve bannon won and donald trump lost, and steve bannon would be holding a banner into 2018, and i think with that background, he was willing to break with the president. >> bob, does that make sense to you? >> yeah, it does. the thing to appreciate about bannon is that very much like trump he's bombastic, narcissistic. he's reckless. and he's also a b.s. artist, and he's capable of saying almost anything, and when he gets very full of himself, he's capable of saying very unflattering things about his patron an...

And explained to me that that's sort of a rallying cry for them. what do you make of -- what does a bannon skornd look like? is he an ally of president trump on the outside if he goes and joins broit bart again or is he an opponent? >> even if he was forced out of the white house, you know given trump's modus operandi and ban ons, they're going to keep stalking. and to the extent that bannon is the architect of this policy of really stockying up the far right and using the far right as kind of the shock troops of the trump base, to the extent that the president keeps doubling down on that, whi...