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Our negotiations have been aimed at achieving each of those objectives while reducing violence and getting the afghans for the first time, and chuck, as you well know over 15 years, to actually sit at the table together and talk about the path forward in a more peaceful way. >> i was just going to say, it's -- there's plenty of reporting out there that indicates that the afghan government had indicated they weren't coming and they sort of had pulled out first. is that how the timeline of events went? >> that's false, chuck. >> okay. when did you know that this meeting wasn't going to happen? >...

>> the president just wants no more testing that could be called testing for a nuclear program. >> i think the president's negotiating posture is on his back asking kim jong-un to scratch him on the belly. he just wants to get something that looks like a deal. and so if there is no new testing, maybe they promise in a few years to get rid of a testing site, something that looks like progress, he'll get the deal, he'll get the credit, he'll go call prime minister abe in japan and say, resubmit my nobel prize letter, and all the hard work will be done ten years out, 20 years out as the north kor...

Get all those things liaison offices. president kim is going to look legitimized around the world, something that was literally inconceivable two years ago. >> the president just wants no more testing that could be called testing for a nuclear program. >> i think the president's negotiating posture is on his back asking kim jong-un to scratch him on the belly. he just wants to get something that looks like a deal. and so if there is no new testing, maybe they promise in a few years to get rid of a testing site, something that looks like progress, he'll get the deal, he'll get the credit, he'll...

Where the president goes from here, kevin you say there are fewer than three weeks for them to work out a deal how diminished is his negotiating posture? >> speaker pelosi won. i mean, this is a battle this isn't the war but in terms of -- i actually think when you look at the economic impacts of this point, 5% gdp would have been sliced when you look at 800,000 furloughed folks and countless small businesses across the country you can't measure impacts of folks not going to restaurants and stuff. from a political standpoint. speaker pelosi won this particular moment. that said, i think the pr...

>> what is different? shannon: i want to read something from vanity fair, there is no end game. what has a few trump turned the border wall into his alamo. convinced himself he can't win reelection in 2020 unless he gets the wall built, it is fundamental, full a former west wing official. democrats know that. where is he as far as negotiating posture tonight after both the speeches? >> he made clear this is something that is a serious policy issue. he made clear he's in favor of immigration, he things immigration is a good thing but it has to be controlled. he wants to control it, democrats do...