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You were involved in the sunny land summit between president xi and president obama. you prepared for many high stakes presidential meetings, serving under bush as well as obama. you think this is a dress rehearsal? is that right? for the bigger summit? >> i do think that these interactions that we're having with the north koreans, both secretary pompeo's meeting or the meeting with north korean experts and the dmz are intelligence gathering opportunities. typically before a high stakes meeting or summit, advisers to a president tell the president what to expect, but also how his counterpart i...

Time, would this be a big economic event. as it turned out economically it was insignificant. geopolitically it changed the world so the markets are probably right. >> so when you look at, anne, from europe the way in which the trump administration seems to be trying to maybe provoke north korea or in some way be more aggressive. are people worried or is there a sense that this is all kind of negotiating posture? >> i think people are worried and there is a sense of helplessness. this is a major crisis that europe has no role in. europe has a whole has not managed to forge a foreign policy. it...

A big economic event, as it turned out, economically it turned out to be insignificant, politically it changed the world. >> if you look at the way in which the trump administration seems to be trying to maybe provoke north korea or in some ways be more aggressive about it, are people worried or is there a sense that this is all kind of negotiating posture in. >> i think people are very worried and there's a sense of helplessness, there's a major crisis and it's one in which europe has no role, europe has a whole has not managed to forge a foreign policy, it does not speak with one voice so it...

That was bernie sanders all the way over to trump is the forgotten man going to get a tax break, are the s copper, small businesses going to get a tax rate. we don't know those fundamental pieces yet. that's the negotiating posture. most of us are looking at that one as the end goal. >> are you going to vote for this deal tomorrow, this temporary three month? it's harvey aid. it's a bunch of must pass stuff. are you going to vote for this. >> if it's attached to a clean debt ceiling increase. the only good news that came out of it is it's not a two year $2 trillion clean debt ceiling increase....

To me this is proceeding and i would suspect the president is making phone calls even though he's on fourth of july holiday. >> do you buy that argument from jeff? >> no. good try. good try. i think that trump -- i this that trump should put out a new edition of his work, the art of blowing the deal. you do not do this if you are in a serious negotiating posture. he took this off the table. he put his troops to work on one direction and then with no warning, based on a tweet, reversed his direction. he's now destroyed the leverage of the people who were trying to get this thing done the way he...