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Employee pay, pensions and healthcare, he wins that hands down. you ask any insider both sides, democrats and republicans tell you that the public is fed up with spending and pension and pay. they want to reign it in. you get to collective bargaining, that's a tougher issue. that's why you're seeing private unions come out and support the union forces. you're seeing firefighters come out and the police officials that wouldn't be covered by the proposal. so this is a tougher fight than it is on pay and benefits for sure. >> jr ross, from wispolitics.com. really appreciate it. >> any time. >> he...

Political results will be if he has overreached or gauged properly sort of where the public is on this issue? >> if the debate is about public employee pay, pensions and healthcare, he wins that hands down. you ask any insider both sides, democrats and republicans tell you that the public is fed up with spending and pension and pay. they want to reign it in. you get to collective bargaining, that's a tougher issue. that's why you're seeing private unions come out and support the union forces. you're seeing firefighters come out and the police officials that wouldn't be covered by the proposal....

Up front. >> finally real quick, what the political results will be if he has overreached or gauged properly sort of where the public is on this issue? >> if the debate is about public employee pay, pensions and healthcare, he wins that hands down. you ask any insider both sides, democrats and republicans tell you that the public is fed up with spending and pension and pay. they want to reign it in. you get to collective bargaining, that's a tougher issue. that's why you're seeing private unions come out and support the union forces. you're seeing firefighters come out and the police officials...