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To put costs on him for invading. so that's been the goal. and it's been successful, great, let's take him up on this negotiation idea. but you can't negotiate while there are 150,000 troops on ukraine's border. you don't negotiate with a gun to your head. we need to see it. we need to see it. >> give me your interpretation of shall we say the mismatched rhetoric from ukrainian leaders including the president on their ambitions for nato. is this on the table, do you really think? do you think this is on the table? >> when you say "on the table," here's what i think what president zelensky mean...

You wrote bezos has the ability to use his huge digital reach in all kinds of ways and he may be tempted to do so in situations where the villians aren't as obvious. you say i doubt he would, but he could. >> i think all these people could. you remember the gawker and peter teal thing. these billionaires can go off and do what they want. in this case, obviously these people are appalling. >> obvious villians. >> in fact, this negotiation idea is crazy. no journalist does this. this was quid pro quo for something. but i think that you wonder what they could do going forward, what anybody could ...