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Kellogg is standing by. mike tobin is in kyiv. what's the reaction to the putin-xi summit so far? >> very interested. they think that it does show that vladimir putin is not as isolated as they would like him to be. but as you saw there, this three-day meeting with xi jinping and vladimir putin kicked off with some brief public comments, mostly pleasantries, and the proposal to end the war. >> we have carefully studied your proposals on settling the acute crisis in ukraine. we are also well aware we are always open for negotiation process. we will discuss all these issues, including your initi...

Always robust. and this was particularly robust. but i think that on balance, the reason it's worth considering is thinking about the fact that inflation is forecast to drop very significantly, so taking 5% now could be a very good way of securing a pay rise by the end of the year which will be significantly above inflation. but this is a judgment call and that's why it's right that health workers actually gets to have a say on it. its a statement of the glaringly obvious, but this is clearly less than you had hoped for less than you had asked for at the beginning of the negotiation process. s...

Trump -- putin to negotiate will be in a position where we will start to see -- negotiation process. if the ukrainians are not successful liberating territory, putin will potentially go through another round of mobilization and we can see another campaign cycle. another offensive. but that will be in our now nine or 12, or 15 months from now. there's a great urgency to give ukraine everything they need to be successful in this coming campaign. >> earlier i broke bread with a smart man, colonel vindman. your brother. and he took the same argument that the director of national intelligence made ...

Documents are being provided. but no, certainly files aren't going to be opened up to congress. that was the case when i worked there. it was the case long before that. it'll continue to be the case in the future. it's a negotiation process. >> kerry, do you think there's an argument that doj is missing an opportunity here to defend how it's handle the special counsel investigations? >> no, i don't think so. i think this letter that was sent back from doj -- this is doj doing doj things. and it could have been from assistant attorney general from legislative affairs from either political party...

That's the deal. the baseline for that balancing is 2022 spending. that doesn't mean there are automatic cuts to the defense budget. that will get worked out in the negotiation process. i think chip would agree with this, and the big thing they're trying to push is regular order. regular order where we set budget limits and push ahead appropriations bills. >> and anybody can introduce an amendment at the time through the legislative process. >> yes. makes it messy. makes it time-consuming but does make members feel they have a voice. the other thing we have to work together as a team now is le...