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We have someone who controls our fate, the ability to launch nuclear weapons, but he can't answer questions under oath? and that is very, very sad state of affairs. >> barbara, i want to squeeze this in as a practitioner and lawyer working a case like this. if it a defense lawyer has a client like donald trump, the defense knows the person is a liar, can't stop lying, but this person is either going to submit to an interview with the fbi where a lawyer can be present or will then be subpoenaed to a grand jury where the lawyer will not be present and you have to stop the proceedings in order to...

Where a lawyer can be present or will then be subpoenaed to a grand jury where the lawyer will not be present and you have to stop the proceedings in order to ask your lawyer a question. in which environment -- which environment is better for a client like donald trump who cannot tell the truth? >> yeah, i think the answer is obvious by your question, lawrence, that you would much prefer to have the negotiation setting where the lawyer could be present sitting next to the client, in this case, president trump, so you can take a break whenever you want to. you can ask to clarify the question. y...