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To a transition to democracy. i do not want a negotiation to have the status quo in place, which is what has happened in the last 15 initiatives of dialogue that have taken place in the last 20 years. i mean, we have to be very objective. what has been the outcome of these proceedings and dialogues? maduro has gained legitimacy, money, and they have...and time, which is, at the end, what they want. they don't care about venezuela being destroyed and people dying. so my point is, we need to gain strength and legitimacy to go into a true negotiation table in which the people of venezuela can be ...

It's supposed to be continuing this year. right now it seems stuck — but there are those in the opposition who think the best way forward is to negotiate with maduro. do you think they're wrong? i did not discard a negotiation at some point, but i do want a negotiation in which we can force the regime to move forward to a transition to democracy. i do not want a negotiation to have the status quo in place, which is what has happened in the last 15 initiatives of dialogue that have taken place in the last 20 years. i mean, we have to be very objective. what has been the outcome of these proce...

Seeing it on the front lines. what does that say to you? >> they have a machine on that front lines that from the very start, from an expectation perspective, was going to be very difficult to think that ukraine was going to do anything and vanquish them. the counteroffensive is going about as well as it can go, given they have no air superiority on the ukraine side. i think it's in a wait and see mode. it's almost like you can't even call it a counteroffensive. we continue to try to -- >> because it's that slow? >> yeah. we try to put american military doctrine on top of this and handed them ...

Summoning it up, we've been talking about the weakness and staying home after that revolt that we saw by the wagner group. they are not necessarily seeing it on the frontlines. what does that say to you? >> they have mass. they have a machine on that front line, when the very start, from an expectation perspective, it was going to be very difficult to think that ukraine was going to do everything and vanquish it. the counteroffensive is going about as well as it can go given that they have no air superiority on the ukrainian side. i think it's a wait and see mode. it's like you can't even call...

Markets, financial calamity. that is something that we could summit. what we have right now is what we have an kevin mccarthy i think has done a good job. they were definitely things that i don't love about it but i'm not going to be critical. but i am still undecided as i work through this bill. >> bill: when this all started, president biden said he wanted a clean debt ceiling to be passed with no strings attached whatsoever. republicans passed their own spending bill and came to the negotiation table and republicans ended up getting what they wanted. did you consider that in itself a win? >...