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Maybe not. but he is saying you are give me one thing, i need this thing. okay. we can quibble about what that means. but what it means for him is, he is not getting the kinds of equipment that he needs to have better success on the battlefield. and as this thing digs in, this is my concern. as this thing digs in, we are going to have lots of casualties on both ukrainian side in the russian side. and it is going to go on for a long time in a dud in kind of environment where you have to frontlines pushing back and forth. it could go a very long time. lots of casualties -- blood and treasure is ...

Come on. >> let me disagree with you. because what the secretary said was that we are trying to shape the narrative for the negotiation. i agree with that. you don't do it by playing not to win. we should have given them what they needed up front other than this very public hand wringing about giving them artillery or not artillery or planes or not planes, we said we weren't going to give them tanks, then we said we were going to give them thanks. come up with a plan that says we are going to push the russians back into the donbas until they sit down at the negotiation table. i think that woul...

Negotiation table what we want truly. >> can i ask you a final question, personal question? you've had a dramatic life story, a dramatic comeback to power after having been in prison. you also have survived this january 6th challenge, this insurrection. you're also the oldest brazilian president ever to be inaugurated. president biden is one of the oldest american presidents. what drives you on? what drives people like you at your age to keep doing this? >> translator: amanpour, what i say, i always say that aging only exists for those that doesn't have to fight for a cause. if you have a caus...

We need to return back to the negotiation table and insure that there is safety for all and people can have the proper training moving forward. howard: well, things do need to change, and your experience -- thinking about the picture on your driver's license -- really hammers home how different it is for particularly young, black men. griff, just briefly, sometimes the media just play the footage and kind of explain things. i think it's been a little more restrained here, would you agree? >> there is because it's so difficult to watch. as gianno was sort of pointing out in the interview with t...

After launching three just the day before. observers say this string indicates north korea is undeterred with its china and members of security council. plucking the u.s. and others from tightening the u.n. sanctions. in addition to targeting south korea, kim jong un says the military will launch its first satellite spy satellite and the analyst say to strike the mainland of the united states. analyst say all of this, kim jong un appears to be doing to bolster his end at the negotiation table should negotiations ever happen, julie. >> julie: branch oco thank you so much, anita. >> anita: the c...