negotiation table what we want truly. >> can i ask you a final question, personal question? you've had a dramatic life story, a dramatic comeback to power after having been in prison. you also have survived this january 6th challenge, this insurrection. you're also the oldest brazilian president ever to be inaugurated. president biden is one of the oldest american presidents. what drives you on? what drives people like you at your age to keep doing this? >> translator: amanpour, what i say, i always say that aging only exists for those that doesn't have to fight for a cause. if you have a cause to fight for and you dedicate to that cause, aging doesn't exist. it doesn't exist. it disappears. that's why i say every day i have 77 years of age, and i say that i have the energy, a power of someone that's 30 years of