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Nato on the negotiation table. and so far most western countries have taken the perspective that this would be a capitulation to russia's show of force and something they are just not willing to do. for putin it's about saving face, i believe. there's a lot of ego on the line now. and a strong desire to recalibrate the security apparatus in europe. and so to him i think it would be a sit down talk with biden and other western leaders and specifically on the nato question that would perhaps de—escalate theirs. question that would perhaps de-escalate theirs.- question that would perhaps de-esc...

Dimmer and deborah. the possibility of us summit seems dimmerand deborah. is the the possibility of us summit seems dimmer and deborah. is the room for diplomacy over here, number talking any more? it diplomacy over here, number talking an more? ., , ~ any more? it would seem like the opportunities _ any more? it would seem like the opportunities for _ any more? it would seem like the opportunities for diplomacy - any more? it would seem like the opportunities for diplomacy have | opportunities for diplomacy have become quite limited. i remain hopeful that there is a possibility. it would requ...

Of the nato? let's wait. wait for what? i'm not saying one has to go into war. the trend of this union is not to allow the war. you are so strong that you consider the negotiation table and say these are the clauses. everybody has equal rights. a little country or an empire, everybody has equal rights. this is the sense of existence for such unions. there was weakness, yeah. they were asking us to help lithuania for barbed wire, which is strength that we're talking about which common tasks are we talking about?

Been theater on the part of putin to get the west to the negotiation table. i wonder if you think that that is a fantasy at this point. whether you think that we really are on the precipice of something very serious? >> i think that the invasion has begun. it is a question of how putin wants to carry it out. i am somewhat optimistic when there was this deal for a possible summit between putin and biden. and it was worked out, i think, on monday evening. and this was an effacing gesture that if putin had gotten the west's attention to him that there could be some sort of diplomatic settlement, ...

Wants at the negotiation table. testing president biden nerve and strength. is he up for this? >> biden has tried to under mine the leverage. let the air out of the balloon. or maybe the better analogy is have the release valve for the pressure cooker. constantly revealing information about what russia is doing. it's really been extraordinary to watch. in realtime. the u.s. administration has released information saying they are setting up this provocation. and given the order to invade. he has given the sense that they have information from really right within the room. as putin is making dec...