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Those issues or would those things be sliding back? >> unfortunately, things would be significantly sliding back. i think it's important to remember that the status quo itself is harmful to women. it's been harmful to women since it was first passed in 1976. we have reduced access to abortion throughout this country. 87% of counties in this country do not have an abortion provider currently. the women who would be buying insurance in the exchange will no longer have the option to have that be covered with the two-check option which is the nelson amendment. so i think it's getting much worse. b...

Abortion throughout this country. 87% of counties in this country do not have an abortion provider currently. the women who would be buying insurance in the exchange will no longer have the option to have that be covered with the two-check option which is the nelson amendment. so i think it's getting much worse. but i think it's important to remember that it was bad before we started health care reform with regard to abortion financing in this country. >> in terms of what you just said about the exchange and the other way things will be if the senate language passes, can you explain what the s...

It's almost a self-defeating concept. so forgive me for being blunt about this, but i understand your point. >> i think it's great that you're covering this issue because i think many people fail to look at the sort of technical language. and as a result, they think oh, well, look, it's not so bad. or people can buy insurance coverage for abortion if they want it. but it's a symbolic act. and it's meant i think fundamentally more than anything is to make the american public believe that health care and abortion are somehow different. remember, abortion is one of the most commonly used medical ...

Because i think many people fail to look at the sort of technical language. and as a result, they think oh, well, look, it's not so bad. or people can buy insurance coverage for abortion if they want it. but it's a symbolic act. and it's meant i think fundamentally more than anything is to make the american public believe that health care and abortion are somehow different. remember, abortion is one of the most commonly used medical services for women during their reproductive years. but what we're saying whether it's with the stupak amendment or with the nelson amendment or with the ongoing h...

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