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Districts. i'm involved in a lot of races and i'm seeing, even like ten-point shifts in the generic congressional, ten-point shifts or more on trump's favorability and job approval. and at the same time, there's been more republican energy. this is in motion, post-labor day. people are focuses. to me, kavanaugh, if it had been derailed, it would have led to, on the right, a pretty severe reaction. >> but that's -- >> the thing is, he's probably going to be confirmed. >> if he is derailed, you think that could have that sort of perverse effect, meaning it actually rallies the right. >> absolute...

Is this moving the goal posts? >> i think any reasonable person would say, if you are going to reopen the investigation and they are giving you corroborating witnesses, that the fbi would interview all of those people. they have a week. so, i don't think it's moving the goal post. i think this is what -- i'm pretty sure this is what flake would have expected to happen. >> i understand the public may think that, but does it make sense that the fbi interview -- they already have her, they know the people she's offering up as potential supporting witnesses. >> you would think they would. i think ...

But if this is some hurry up and get it done, limit the number of witnesses, we don't have time to spend another day on it, we have to vote before friday or saturday, then a lot of us are going to be disappointed. >> what is the -- what is your sense of how many senate democrats are still actually undecided on judge kavanaugh? >> i would say there are probably two that have not announced what they're going to do. maybe it's only one at this point, but it really -- it comes down to this. if the three republicans who are at the center of attention, as they should be at this point, undecided, sho...

Senators heitkamp and manchin and you've got large majorities that are in favor of judge kavanaugh. would you understand if those senators said, you know what, i'm here to represent my constituents, at the end of the day. >> listen, i would totally understand that, chuck. but i want to tell you something. having spoken to my colleagues, many of them have said, they are going to vote their conscience on this. this is an historic choice. if it's not popular at home and they have to pay a price for it, they're prepared to do it. i think that's part of the oath of office we take. to stand up and d...

Country, you would acknowledge that? >> i think as united states, we're a nation of immigrants. as the u.s., we're a nation of immigrants. we need to be able to support immigrants from all over the nation because this is the foundation of this country. >> there's actually three things that are happening. the president is trying to convolute all of them. there's been a net neutral. there's not a bump in actual immigration as a whole. what we're seeing right now at the border is a flood of refugees. really we have basically three issues in the u.s. we have 11 million people who are undocumented ...