Gain attention. >> we i first announced most cable networks weren't that excited to have me on immediately. >> we're not that excited? >> were not that excited. i understand i didn't have a national reputation. i wasn't a senator or governor. i did a series of podcast interview has have pushed meed to a point where i'm 3% in south carolina and other states, one of the top eight candidates by any objective measurement closing in on 130,000 doves. now the networks are excited to have me on. >> you think the podcasts did it help you to catapult you a little bit. >> yeah, the top podcast audiences...