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I will not ask you about singing because i respect you more than karl -- [laughter] but i have to ask you what's going to go beyond florida. nevada and maine this week, and then you have colorado and minnesota next. do these additional states, do they still matter in this race? >> they do. um, this is a chance in the february for particularly ron paul and rick santorum to organize in some caucus states and pile up some dell gates. -- delegates. it is a nice long month for people who are not good debaters, february 22nd, that's not a benefit for newt gingrich. and as you know, since it's sort o...

I mean, there's not an ideological fight in the party now. everyone agrees on the basics that need to be done. the question is do you want to throw out there a general election candidate who's randomly throwing spaghetti on the wall every day when the mood strikes him. the latest example of this is the local amnesty boards that are going to go through people and decide -- illegal immigrants and decide whether they're going to stay or not. that's a really creative idea, it's something that deserves to be debated, let's have the think tanks discuss it but do you really want a presidential candid...

Numbers, with independents, their brand is in the toilet as well. alisyn: the polls did reflect that, that it isn't that they think there's some other shining solution to this, they're just quite disenchanted with the president. >> that's exactly right. washington is toxic right now. everything d.c. is bad. you're doomed, and all of the incumbents are going to really seriously -- all of the incumbents are going to have to work hard in their district or go away and obama is in huge trouble right now. here's the thing, the republicans, who we nominate, if we nominate newt beginning retch, not go...

Have that kind of thing going on in a general election campaign, it's going to be a huge distraction, and a huge benefit to president obama. alisyn: so as the voice of conservatives at the moment, what did you hear last night that did impress you on the debate stage? >> well, i thought newt, when he wasn't on freddie, was quite good. i thought bachmann was very good. she's just really perfected this role as the prosecutor in chief, in these debates. don't want her after you. and i thought newt showed a little bit too much irritation with her for his own good. romney was very solid, kind of bac...

Now is the time for that kind of courage in the public interest. >> let me just say. there's not a lot of that going around. back during the summer, when mueller was first named which was back in the spring. there was widespread bipartisan support. newt beginning retch said a great choice, even though he's talking how corrupt and inept "shand during the summer, the president appeared to firing sessions, there wa republicans like lindsey graham and others saying he cannot move against mueller. if he does i will stop him. i have not heard those reassurances publicly from republicans recently. ha...