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>> on the planes, there is a request from ukraine to get f-16s just like in the past they asked for tanks. it took a while before the united states and europeans were ready to do that. do you think the planes are going to go the way of the tanks and eventually, no will become yes? >> well, they certainly should. but if you do what chancellor scholz said and you really are in this for the long haul you would have already been training f-16 pilots. you would have had crews trained on m-1 tanks and the politicians would make the decision, okay. now is the time to put the f-16s in. if they decided...

Them. the ukrainians could learn to operate effect i havely an m-1 tank in 30 days. so again, this is a political gesture. >> throughout much of nato and europe as well, what is it -- take a look at this map. look at the amount of leopard tanks. spain, 327. germany, 500 plus. greece with 300 more. what is it that makes it so difficult to send that amount of hardware to ukraine. >> it's a political reluctance. there's a lot going on in europe and not wanting to take visibility in the face of putin intimidation tactics, which

Includes potential use of nuclear weapons. we have to be sympathetic not just to president biden, who has to take this into account, but also the europeans. the germans are more sensitive because of the horror they inflicted on all of europe in world war ii. but to go back to the underscore of what the problem is, ukrainians need an armored division by this summer, 300 main battle tanks. the m-1s are available. it's the only combat hardened military force on the world outside of ukraine is the u.s. army. so we can deploy, support with contractor support and train ukrainians to fight effectivel...

Need to give them the logistics that they need to sustain all of the incredible equipment that w ability, but we need to give them the air missile defense and the air drones and reaper, and we could give them a-10 aircraft, and i'm not saying to put the american pilots in the seats, but there is a lot of things that we can do to make sure that the ukrainians win and just don't lose that is what needs to happen in this next year, otherwise, we will have a long and protracted war, and the right thing to do is to give them everything that they need. now, i would also add that they don't need the ...

Ukrainians at the russian air force bases inside russia, and they're not feeling any pain from the ukrainian counter offensive against the strategic air fleet. so the situation is dire it's not just electric grid, the water grid, it's also the death of civilians throughout the country, from these cruise missile attacks. they may get worse, because the iranians are on the verge of providing essentially ballistic missiles which can strike deeper and faster but it is a tough situation. i think the end of the day, there's no question, putin has lost the strategic war already and will never be able...