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Government is running, until february 8th. what are the chances of a deal on immigration here? >> my guess would be nil. >> he laughs before answering. >> look, we've had the conversation. dial back ten years ago. you could go back 20 years ago, as a matter of fact. this is a very, very -- >> we had the conversation -- >> we're literally had the conversation since the early 2000s, and we are still here. >> remarkable. >> exactly. we stay in the -- so does the issue. the reality, it's the republican base that has one set of views on immigration that are fundamentally different from the democrat...

Those three, only one is widely regarded as a disaster by virtually all sides here, that's the third one. i think we ought to be skeptical of anyone suggesting we will not strike a deal under any circumstances, or this is an absolute red line that we will never cross. >> bianna, it's interesting, lindsey graham -- there's a legitimate question about what happens to lindsey graham. but lindsey graham says you better start telling us what you're for instead of what you're against. i'm not sure he'll get what he wants on that. >> maybe we'll see lynd si graham golfing with the president again and...

House, you've been all over the board. you haven't been a reliable partner, and the senate's going to move. he's obviously, together with a lot of his colleagues, republicans and democrats, frustrated. >> he might not be invited on the golf course any time soon with the president. i think he is frustrated because he believed that at that open meeting where trump said i'm going to take the heat, i'll sign whatever you bring me, he said a bill of love. and lindsey graham came out after that and said this was the man i know. this is the man i played golf with. well, i think he may have been delud...

Especially after his humiliating defeat that if there's no wall, there's no daca." he goes on. but the president, we don't know what he wants. that point has been emphasized over and over again. the senate could get a deal, has no implication on what passes the house. in part because they don't know what the president wants. so what is the biggest holdup here? >> well, i think we know what the president wants. if you look at what he said during the campaign, not just what he said but how he said it, and the vulgarrity, obscenity, rough talk recently and look at what people around him are sayin...

Understand like rational and humane. schumer will withdraw that offer in the context of the start of negotiations. let's not be too cute or histrionic about this. there is a three-week window on this. it is going to require broad outlines of a deal that look like what was brought to the table three weeks ago before it was brought down by the president. if anything happens at all. it will be border security, including building a wall in portions. it will be a daca deal that probably at least gives legal status to the d.r.e.a.m.ers, if not full citizenship. >> you're talking about the pillars. t...