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>> less than two hours later frank wearing the same hidden camera detectives used to catch him walked into the restaurant to meet fred shockner. >> i set him up with the camera and audio and we got a table, couple tables away three of us to make sure he didn't run. yeah, we wanted to see everybody's reaction. and we had of course audio, we have the surveillance team outside listening to everything. >> coming up -- one problem. 7:30 came and went. minutes ticked by. no fred. >> he was already really paranoid about being setup. >> would he show, and what if he didn't? when dateline continues. sh...

>> yeah, and we wanted to see everybody's reaction and we had, of course, the audio. >> i worked burglary division for four years. but i've never had one come with we had a surveillance team a device that's used simply for -- for killing. outside listening to everything. >> reporter: so, time to focus coming up -- one problem. 7:30 came and went. on that so-called burglar caught with a bloody knife in his minutes ticked past. no fred. pocket. name was nicholas harvey. >> he was already really paranoid about being set up. he was 22 years old. >> would he show? and this was unusual. and what i...

>> what's going on, bud? >> nothing much. >> reporter: and they agreed to meet 7:30 in the evening at a local restaurant. >> i'll try to be there on time. >> all right, bud, that's all. i'll see you around 7:30, bud. >> okay, bye. >> reporter: less than two hours later, frank, wearing the same hidden camera that the detective used to catch him, walked in to the restaurant to meet fred schockner. >> i set him up with the camera and the audio. and we got a table, a couple tables away, the three of us, to make sure that he didn't run. >> reporter: so you had your eyeballs on him. >> yeah, and we ...

7:30 bud. thank you, bye. >> less than two hours later. frank, wearing the same hidden camera the detective used to catch him, walked into the restaurant to meet fred. >> i set him up with the camera and the audio and we got a table and a couple tables way, three of us to make sure he didn't run sg you h . >> you had your eyes on him. >> yes, we wanted to see everybody's reaction. we had audio and surveillance outside listening to everything. >> coming up. one problem. 7:30 came and went. minutes ticked by. no fred. >> he was already really paranoid about being set up. would he show? and what ...

There. so the mystery continues. >> we're just disappointed that we don't understand what that means. all right athena jones in jersey. thank you so much. let's talk more about all of this now. i want to bring in michael zeldin. he was robert mueller's special assistant at the department of justice. good to see you. jay newton small. jay, you first. because there's a lot of pressure, the chorus is getting loud thaer tru lo louder that trump should release these tape fist they do exist. coming soon in so many words and you also might be disappointed. >>, no fred, i don't think anybody's really ...