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Of the reporting that put the president in the room for the initial conversation. >> that's right. and that reporting, nbc matching "the wall street journal," again, "the wall street journal" has been all over these various investigation stories and deserves a lot of credit for this. in this case, you know, the reporting is that the person or persons from the campaign that were mentioned in documents related to the "national enquirer," a.m.i. its parent company, and michael cohen to make the karen mcdougal payments and sort of arranging this, there was this arrangement between the "national en...

The karen mcdougal payment in order to influence the election. now you have on top of it the closest that donald trump will ever get to be to alexander hamilton. he's the man in the room where it happened. and what happened was a year before any of these access hollywood or any of the other affairs that came out was a meeting where they discussed a scheme to conceal his affairs from the voters. so on two fronts you have -- it's a very significant development. you have another person in addition to michael cohen pointing a finger at donald trump himself, not just the campaign. and it now seems ...

"wall street journal" first reported, nbc news has since confirmed that the president is that, quote, other member of the campaign. this comes as the president is working overtime to try to distance himself from his former personal attorney. on wednesday, michael cohen was sentenced three years in federal prison after he pleaded guilty to a number of charges including campaign finance violation that's cohen said were carried out at donald trump's direction. one of those violations, cohen's role in the aforementioned payments from american media, inc., to former play boy model karen mcdougal. t...

The conservative and republican reaction to this has been a kind of shoulder shrug and i think that makes me sadder than anything. >> and that's impactful to hear. and, julia, a few moments to repeat a point you made for folks watching. this is not the mueller case. there are u.s. attorneys throughout the united states. the justice department is a big place. could this turnout to be fundamental, elemental to our problems in the 2016 election? it could be a component of that, but it's not designed that way, correct? >> it could be. i'll pull from something tom said. this is sort of a low-level ...

President in the room for the initial conversation. >> that's right. and that reporting, nbc matching "the wall street journal," again, "the wall street journal" has been all over these various investigation stories and deserves a lot of credit for this. in this case, you know, the reporting is that the person or persons from the campaign that were mentioned in documents related to the "national enquirer," a.m.i. its parent company, and michael cohen to make the karen mcdougal payments and sort of arranging this, there was this arrangement between the "national enquirer's" parent company and d...