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And reinstate america, 1941 or 1940, the last good year. you know, all those nice things for what they see as their nostalgic view of a place that never actually existed. isn't the premise, don't ever tell them they have to play by the rules or they're just going to throw you under the bus? >> well, i think they're pining for the 1700s, actually. yeah, these guys are -- they have a notion, i think, of american politics and of ideology that is really out of step with, not just the broader american mainstream, but with the republican party itself. and the republicans have a balancing act to try ...

And reinstate america, 1941 or 1940, the last good year. you know, all those nice things for what they see as their nostalgic view of a place that never actually existed. isn't the premise, don't ever tell them they have to play by the rules or they're just going to throw you under the bus? >> well, i think they're pining for the 1700s, actually. yeah, these guys are -- they have a notion, i think, of american politics and of ideology that is really out of step with, not just the broader american mainstream, but with the republican party itself. and the republicans have a balancing act to try ...

Hundred people bearing guns to show up and stand in the way of the federal officials who would enforce that law? >> right. but it wasn't just those hundred people. it was the echo machine. it was the right-wing noise machine, and it was the combination of the two that has now set the precedent. if it was a liberal activist or immigration activist, you know, they would be crying foul. >> are we on the other side of the hypocrisy? would we be celebrating if it was a war tact resister? if it was someone trying to stay in a foreclosed home? i mean, don't we all want the law? we want the law to be ...

The federal officials who would enforce that law? >> right. but it wasn't just those hundred people. it was the echo machine. it was the right-wing noise machine, and it was the combination of the two that has now set the precedent. if it was a liberal activist or immigration activist, you know, they would be crying foul. >> are we on the other side of the hypocrisy? would we be celebrating if it was a war tact resister? if it was someone trying to stay in a foreclosed home? i mean, don't we all want the law? we want the law to be broken when it's the law we don't like. >> yeah, but we go back...

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