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Political reasons. and so how likely are they to trust us in the future with the most important stuff they have? and the answer is, not very likely. so there's damage to the immediate case and there's damage to our long-term institutional interests as part of a larger intelligence community. very disheartening, brian. >> matt, if you had to reach, could you make a case that any part of the public good, the public interest, is served by lifting the veil on any of these communications? >> you know, i think you could make the case that the fisa, you know, the entire fisa process does deserve some...

Brian. i think certainly, if kavanaugh's nomination is pulled, if he were to withdraw,a the president, the white house, would immediately turn to that list that was made public in tht campaign and expanded early on in the presidency for replacement. there were a few judges who were on the short list behind kavanaugh that would get consideration. but i think the key player in all of this is probably going to end up being senate majority leader mitch mcconnell. kavanaugh was not mcconnell's first choice for trump's pick, but trump went ahead and nominated kavanaugh, anyhow. mcconnell got behind ...

Has already been reviewed to redact the most sensitive information, and what could be made public has been made public. it's the first time in history that happened and it only happened because the president declassified that nunes memo back in february that related to this application. he kind of started this process in motion way back then. so while i think you can make an argument for some general transparency, number one, that's clearly not what the president's after here. i think it's very disingenuous for him to claim that as he did in the interview you showed. number two, with this part...

They're going to support.i, and i think mcconnell is going to try to make the power play to help drive this process. in terms of the timing, the midterms are coming up. it's very difficult to see how they'd be able to get through an entire vetting and nomination h process to vote before the midterm elections and then that raises the question of whether they would do this all in the lame duck session which would be in late november and in december before the new senate is sworn in january. >> all this was just today. what a day it's been yet again. our great thanks to our big three starting us ...

This is a -- this is a process of understanding the character as well as the competence and intelligence of the person you're going to put on the bench. this requires a full vet. >> so, ashley, to your other point that there is plan "a" and plan "a" so far, it appears based on reporting that judge kavanaugh was in the white house for a long day again today and over in the executive office building, the term of art is murder boards. there was something of a murder board, kind of a mock hearing to throw at him any and all uncomfortable questions they could think of to prepare him for monday. >> ...