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Business. this is one of the ways they do business. you have a policy disagreement with nominee x. what you do instead of talking about the policy difference, you find something like this exactly to get them all hung up to disgrace them to do whatever to get them out. to be candid, this applies to both parties. i'm not thrilled with doing that. the second thing, one of the things that's going to happen with donald trump is we're going to have a lot of discussions in this town. things will be turned upside do down. one thing we will talk about is what about political conflicts of interest? what...

He talked about and we have seen of upwards of $300,000. i think that the real issue for me as a democrat watching this is what a difference a transition makes. i remember senator daschle having to take his name out of the running because of potential issues with his taxes and because of the appearance of -- >> they said he didn't pay taxes. >> no, but he was arranging back payment. the other issue is, he also was perceived as lobbying. we are talking about the narrative of draining the swamp which is similar. obama didn't use the same terminology. but it was the same. this, i think, is not ju...