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On and on and on. i think petraeus, of course, has to regularly see his parole officer. seriously. they have to widen the search. tillerson is in the mix. >> does it matter that tillerson doesn't have any kind of political diplomacy experience, but he does have experience with the company having that global footprint around the world? >> he has a global footprint. i would augurgue he is better f this job than carson is for hud. experience is not the most important qualify indicaticalqq. >> let's talk about the future, ellis. 2020. joe biden. raised a lot of eyebrows by his answer/non-answer to...

>> president-elect called me and asked for a meeting. when the president-elect calls, you agree to meet. i have no additional information other than what you have. >> reporter: are you open to working -- >> i think it's really important to just have the conversation. >> reporter: the always important non-answer there, if you will. i do think it's important, you look at the political ramifications of it in 2018, if senator heitkamp is not running in the state of north dakota it will be very hard pressed for democrats to hold on to that seat so there's the political and policy implications. also...

The vitriol will happen. and it's incumbent upon us now to do what he won't. stand up and say when something is wrong, when something is hateful, to point it out and be vigilant about it and not pack -- back down. >> what was your view of steve bannon and his orientation towards this part of the movement? >> i was their media consultant. and when i saw them evolve from a platform to chronicle the movement to becoming a participant and the propaganda arm of the trump campaign, that's something i couldn't associate with. that's why i made the decision to leave. giving a platform and sounding boa...

>> and mark, you think about during the campaign when these things came up. kellyanne conway said, he doesn't have to do theis now, he's president-elect. we pulled for example the discussion in february when he was asked on cnn when he was asked about his support from a kkk leader, david duke, and this was his bizarre, non-answer. take a look. >> will you unequivocally condemn david duke and say you don't want his vote or that of other white supremacists in this election? >> just so you understand, i don't know anything about david duke, i don't know what you're talking about with white suprem...

Before he opposed it. >> he was a businessman and gave a non-answer. the key tonight is somebody who is determined, who was a strong businessman versus a life-long failure in hillary clinton. >> boris epstein, thank you very much. we've got a lot more coming up. we'll be right back with our panel. the debate night here in las vegas, we're getting ready. i'm beowulf boritt and i'm a broadway set designer.