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To seem, this message of non-interventionism. people just don't want to hear it. republicans don't want to hear it it even if the general public does. >> let me say this about this because i think this is an interesting point. ted cruz actually has tried to kind of carve out this path in which he sort of rhetorically as bellicose and militant and rabid as you can get, but substantively doesn't seem to want to do a lot of military commitments, which actually seems to be in an odd way the perfect sweet spot for the republican primary voter. >> well, it's sort of what donald trump has said at tim...

Libertarian moment. people turning towards the paerlt. >> libertarian, who are the libertarians anti-hawks? >> i think trump thought iraq was a terrible war. he says it all the time. >> i wouldn't say trump is a dove. he is a non-interventionist. he says ground troops abroad. >> who are the biggest hawks? >> rubio. lindsey graham. . christie and rubio and bush as well. >> bush except more he has to kind of get rid of the cloud of his brother and foreign policy. >> he's now enbracing a full hawk. he is bringing former president bush to make the calm. if you are stuck in the single digits, you g...

Past that i don't think she would be weak on security but we haven't seen what this presidency would like like in that direction. >> what about rand paul? he said send boots but just the arabs. how is he perceived on terror? >> i know in 2012 he supported limited sanctions, especially in russia and iran but he is another one who is going to be overshadowed by his father who is -- he is a non-interventionist. i think he's going to have that on his baggage list if you will. >> what about it mike? >> rand paul makes me nervous. the libertarian perspective of government less is better. he was real...