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Acting attorney general that the president appointed didn't tell the truth to congress? no. >> listen, i mean -- i can't believe he came out -- the judge said, quote, the no collusion refrain runs through the entire defense memorandum, the no collusion mantra is simply a non sequitur and also no accurate because an investigation is still ongoing. and then she said, court is one of the places where facts still matter. matthew, she wasn't playing today but yet the attorney comes out and says the judge says there's no collusion. >> first of all, what does collusion mean? by that he means there's ...

Conspiracy, i don't know. but this whole collusion thing i would be happy to agree with the judge here, it's a non sequitur and doesn't make any sense. >> matthew, susan, thank you. shimon, thank you, sir. paul manafort's prison sentence, matthew whitaker's nondenial, lots to talk about with congressman denny heck. he's next. ♪ now audible members get free fitness and wellness programs to transform your mind and body. download the audible app and start listening today. ♪ and you're still not sure if you want to make the trade?. exactly. alright, call td ameritrade's trade desk. they can ...

Believe he came out -- the judge said, quote, the no collusion refrain runs through the entire defense memorandum, the no collusion mantra is simply a non sequitur and also no accurate because an investigation is still ongoing. and then she said, court is one of the places where facts still matter. matthew, she wasn't playing today but yet the attorney comes out and says the judge says there's no collusion. >> first of all, what does collusion mean? by that he means there's no criminal conspiracy? well, it hasn't been charged, but, look we know paul manafort was sharing polling data with a sus...

That's just not true and a flat out lie. the judge never rule on that issue. in fact, she said the no collusion claim, and this is a quote from her, is a non sequitur. why does he keep bringing it up? is it that transparent? >> there's someone who wants to hear there's no collusion, and that's the man who has the power to keep paul manafort from spending his 70s in prison, so i think that might explain this one. >> short concise answer. that means looking for pardon, right? susan, let's talk about matthew whitaker. house judiciary chair nadler he says whitaker did not deny that the president c...

The no-collusion refrain that runs through the entire defense memorandum is unrelated to matters at hand. the no-collusion mantra is simply a non sequitur. and if that's not clear enough, okay -- and it really should be -- there is this. the no-collusion mantra is also not accurate because the investigation is still going on. is that clear enough for you? so the judge told everybody in the courtroom the case has nothing to do with collusion, nothing at all. and she pointedly said, court is one of those places where facts still matter, end quote. this is me speaking now like cnn. one of those p...