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Actually, he didn't even vote. >> say that again? >> well, the conversation -- i might add, the chair, alan clark, did not vote one way or the other. >> wow. what's your interaction with him been like since? >> well, he's a friend of mine, okay? and even thoughly he took the brunt of my emotion and my passion, he remains a friend of mine. i don't doubt that he probably would have voted for the motion, and i don't subscribe to a lot of the same policies that he does, but we were fortunate that one republican, senator john cooper, voted against the bill. and in our state senate, the

Action, and i think it was a mother from louisiana that testified. there were about 14 individuals or groups that had signed up to testify against the bill. and if i might say, so anyway, that second motion to limit the debate, that was disturbing to me, particularly coming from those two individuals. i didn't expect it. and it just kind of blew me away. and, you know, i just felt like the people that had signed up, the committee room was packed. there were people out in the hall. they deserved to be heard. >> that bill, that measure was defeated by one vote, and it was a republican, right, or...

>> yes, but you know, it was a continuation -- what happened prior to that, the motion to limit debate that the two democratic colleagues on the committee move for, and that was a nondebatable motion. and the republican colleagues tried to make a motion to limit the debate earlier in the presentation of this bill, sb 484, and it was defeated. and so after several of the witnesses, including the arkansas prosecuting attorneys association, the arkansas county sheriffs association, and a member of the moms demand