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Status, even if they wanted secession, maybe that's possible. but surely i cannot imagine that steve or anyone else would argue this is a good principle of international life to say that every time a major power feels that the country next door to it is acting up, they just go up and gobble a piece of it, if china were to do that with its neighbors, how would we feel? if other countries around the world were to do that, that is the principle that is at stake. not the fact that ukraine is complicated, has divided, all that's true, surely the answer is not the men at sea. >> let me go back to st...

>> let me go back to steven, let me ask you this. you've been branded a putin apologist. which is a trite way of describing what you've been trying to do. which is trying to nondemonize putin, that isn't that helpful to how you deal with him. what is the smart way for the west, for the americans in particular, for president obama to deal now with vladimir putin, you know him well, what is the smart way to deal with him, in a way that will inflame this? >> i don't know him personally, i'm not a putin apologist, i i thank you for saying that, one of the problems we've had in the country any time...