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The only question is whether it's self-defense or not. and the other part of murder two is ill will, hostility, hatred. well, with you hear the words on the nonemergency police call, calling him an a-hole and f'ing punk, he clearly was very hostile to trayvon martin, a total stranger to him. just seeing him walking while black down the street, every time he called about a suspicious person in the neighborhood before this, it was about an african-american person. so i think the prosecution could put all of that together. they still have to rebut the self-defense. they do that by establishing al...

Defense attorney says no, zimmerman was screaming and he stops when the gunshot goes off because the threat is eliminated. the problem with that, zimmerman did not think the let it was eliminated. he said he thought trayvon martin was still alive. in fact, that's why he turned him over, spread his arms out. so that's something i can see developed further in close arguments. i think the bottom line is the jurors will say, we can't tell who was screaming so we will just cast that aside. >> doesn't that explain why zimmerman was stalking trayvon martin in the first place? >> sure they do. the non...

Have been used as some, well, i would argue with it. but i guess the court could look at it and say the words that he used might evidence -- they may be direct evidence of ill will and hatred. i will suggest that maybe the way other people have said it or screened it in the courtroom, the evidence that's before the court and before the jury, the way my client used it, can certainly the entire context of the way he used it in the conversation on the nonemergency call does not suggest anywhere near the level necessary for ill will, spite and hatred. under that suggested, if you were to even cons...

Zimmerman released by dispatch or not to follow any longer. he arguably didn't do that. it doesn't have to follow those instructions of the dispatcher, he is free to do what he wants. >> in some departments dispatchers are police officers. i don't think he was in this case. he should take their instructions, but he is not legally bound to take the directions of what the dispatcher tells him to do. his job is to be on the lookout for suspicious people and to report them. this is what george zimmerman did. he called a nonemergency. i want to let you know this is going on, he wasn't threatened by...

And in the interview his word was yes, right? >> in one of the interviews, yes. >> he acknowledged to you that he was following him at one point, correct? >> yes, sir. >> anything wrong with following somebody like that? >> that was -- >> let me ask you this way, anything illegal? >> objection. >> i'm sorry, i'll let him answer that one. >> repeat it, please. >> did you think there was anything wrong with him following him to see where he was going? >> legally speaking, no. >> as a matter of fact, it was -- and you heard the nonemergency call, right? >> yes, sir. >> and it was twice on that, t...