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That will be able to reach and even overfly guam, if they want. i don't know if they will actually do that. that's going to be dependent on the diplomacy between president trump and xi jinping. plus a lot of other things that the united states can do to push china in a better direction because we haven't really tried to do that to the extent that we need to. >> i want to read you a quote from mac thornberry the chairman of the armed services committee in the house. he just joined us five minutes ago. i said to him do you want regime change? he said if kim jong-un is going to continue to threat...

They have a number of missiles that will be able to reach and even overfly guam, if they want. i don't know if they will actually do that. that's going to be dependent on the diplomacy between president trump and xi jinping. plus a lot of other things that the united states can do to push china in a better direction because we haven't really tried to do that to the extent that we need to. >> i want to read you a quote from mac thornberry the chairman of the armed services committee in the house. he just joined us five minutes ago. i said to him do you want regime change? he said if kim jong-un...

That. >> we deterred the soviet union for decades. we're deterring china now. the issue is whether north korea is stable enough to deter? and i think so. we have to look at some of the things that happened this year in the regime, starting from about mid-january, going to mid-february, indicating real turbulence inside the ruling group. if that ruling group is as turbulent as it looked in that period, then we have to have a whole review of where we're going with this. we may decide we have to use force. there are a lot of things we can do that are nonkinetic. talk about sanctions on north kore...

The north koreans have biological and chemical agents, some of the largest stocks in the world. so the advent of nuclear arsenal for north korea and japanese and south koreans, not that big of a deal. of course, it's a big deal for us because you have long-range missiles. the one thing i want to add is that we haven't been talking about the nonkinetic options. there's so many things that the united states can do short of the use of force. >> like? >> one thing we can do is enforce u.s. law against chinese banks that have been money laundering for the north koreans. >> we're applauding these in...