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Good message and i think i've never given that message. that's just never the way i've spoken and it is a complete mischaracterization of my commentary. what i've talked about is a normal spectrum of human despair, normal human despair, which traditionally was seen as the purview of spirituality and religion. that which gave people comfort and gave people hope and inspiration in their times of pain. and with the advent of modern psychotherapy, a lot of the baton sort of passed from religion and spirituality to modern psychotherapy which was an interesting transition. and then over the last few...

Say that you're actually contributing to that stigma by repeatedly saying that antidepressant drugs -- you've used the word numb or mask you. isn't the fact that depression numbs you and masks you while some drugs have dangers and side effects, not all drugs numb you or mask you and telling a seriously depressed person to take an antidepressant is going to be numbed, is that not a good message? >> i think that would be a not good message and i think i've never given that message. that's just never the way i've spoken and it is a complete mischaracterization of my commentary. what i've talked a...